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    • #67123
      Johan Horak
      Participant
      Post count: 5

      Hi

      We would like to make cbd oil available to our select members.

      Why not do it like Cafe 420 in Johannesburg?

      You buy a specific type of colored water or whatever on the menu and then you get a specific type of cannabis as a gift.

      This translates to someone buying a tshirt and get the cbd oil for free.

    • #67167
      Charl Henning
      Keymaster
      Post count: 7

      Cafe 420 is the worst possible example of a model. Only functioning because of so called police protection/ connections/ who you know, which is why there is only one 420 Cafe. This is exactly why the Dagga private club model should be used instead. Giving away free weed with a small purchase is also the most obvious loophole one can think of and will not hold up in court. No offence John, but please read the Dagga Private Club Press Release https://www.fieldsofgreenforall.org.za/press-release-dagga-private-clubs/ The way in which it is done has to be transparent, but at the same time too complicated to pinpoint. Also CBD regulation will change again in the next year or two, but currently it’s legal to sell within certain regulations, so no workaround is needed unless it’s in a food product… at least for now…

    • #67172
      William
      Member
      Post count: 34

      Doubt that the “buy something and get free weed” model is legit.
      No matter how you try to skin it, it still boils down to dealing. Pretty sure that the cops see the transition of cannabis between people as dealing. Whether there’s money or not.
      Honestly, the latest worry about CBD products are the existing regulatory protocols of the industries that CBD is emerging in.

    • #67175
      Charl Henning
      Keymaster
      Post count: 7

      John
      I see your product may contain more than the legal limit and that’s why you want to sell it in a different way. I’m sure this silly regulation will change soon. Also I see that a giant amount of CBD products overseas don’t contain what it says on the label, so I’m sure many of the ‘grey’ products we see on the shelves in SA now contain more than the legal cbd limit. Why don’t you just sell CBD within the legal limit and keep the strong stuff for ‘special requests’? Also with the green rush going on I don’t think there is much of a niche market for CBD containing more than the legal limit, as the entire (full spectrum) product is pretty much illegal. CBD is more of a trend right now than a product needed by an informed market, so we should ask ourselves how big the demand for high level CBD is vs just CBD. I hope this helps. Trying to think outside the box here…

    • #67186
      sean.alexander.za
      Participant
      Post count: 4

      I agree with the general sentiment here.

      The Cafe 420 model is the simplest of the various illegal and “grey” models out there. Legally it is very easy to get caught, arrested and prosecuted for dealing assuming the police have the interest to do so. Not advisable given the model relies on how (corruption) you get the police off your back. That is the “key” to success, and it is murky, muddy and dangerous waters that should be avoided.

      Once the modus operandi of the police becomes to ignore certain illegal actions (such as happened with certain “grey” market dispensaries in Canada in which they were simply left alone by police in certain cities for example), then, certain options/advice given may change.

      I do believe the “best” model is the model which exposes people to the police the least, which means keep it small, private between trustworthy people. The model that best describes that is the DPC model, which, with the right support and changing of opinion and changing police actions over time, can grow to become larger (more public if you will) clubs. For now, the advice is to keep it small for safety reasons. The downside for any producers is that your market is very limited potentially, or rather the advice is to deliberately keep it that way for now. It is simply the real world and too many of the wrong people are getting hurt by the police and the guys here don’t want to recommend something that could give you the wrong kind of exposure that’s all, which I know you appreciate.

      As for CBD specifics on oils, as long as the market is not fully legal and has a degree of maturity, you won’t be able trust the labelling as you might with other consumer goods. Even in a legal market (see California) you get lots of supposidely clean product turn up dirty, so you need time for market participants to bring up their game etc. This happens in 1st world countries.

      I would say just be honest with your product. If your oil comes from a so called hemp-based variety, state as such. If it is tested, provide details, if not, state so. Don’t market it with all the buzzwords you see these days (Full Spectrum FECO/RSO/CBD/Oil) when you have some low CBD (2%) hemp variety that you process en-masse to produce your oil. If you have a really good, 6-15% CBD (1-3% THC) cultivar that you know has a strong x/y smell (or know the dominant terps, not that dominant terps determine smell but thats besides the point) that is smokeable (let’s say it looks/smells like white widow to you) and you know its content, then put that on the label please, the world needs to know and you need to give yourself the credit for a good legit input. Just don’t put out dodgy products to make quick money. Honesty and transparency is all we ask on the label.

      I would be interested for my own private use to find local ways to test flower/concentrate and soil (for soil life and make-up). I believe there is a testing kit here on FOGFA shop but have yet to try it.

      Anyways that’s my 2c.

    • #67191
      Johan Horak
      Participant
      Post count: 5

      Excellent. Lots to takeaway. I’ll not follow the cafe 420 model.

    • #67194
      Johan Horak
      Participant
      Post count: 5

      Our CBD oil is produced at 70 degree C. And should not ACTIVATE lots of THC.

    • #67198
      Johan Horak
      Participant
      Post count: 5

      Why don’t you just sell CBD within the legal limit and keep the strong stuff for ‘special requests’?

      Thanks, Charl. Yes. I agree. This is what we have done. Or wanted to do online but then I read “all cannabis products are illegal”. So, it’s grey.

      Luterek said the Sahpra notice excluded products with minuscule doses of THC, below 0.001%, and small CBD doses of 20mg for daily use but “your local home industry and grower won’t be able to determine that.
      “You need to get a certificate of analysis to determine levels because if you don’t you could be prosecuted.”
      https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/before-you-go-into-the-business-of-cannabis-read-this-24891897

    • #67201
      Johan Horak
      Participant
      Post count: 5

      Why don’t you just sell CBD within the legal limit and keep the strong stuff for ‘special requests’?

      Thanks, Charl. Yes. I agree. This is what we have done. Or wanted to do online but then I read “all cannabis products are illegal”. So, it’s grey.

      Luterek said the Sahpra notice excluded products with minuscule doses of THC, below 0.001%, and small CBD doses of 20mg for daily use but “your local home industry and grower won’t be able to determine that.
      “You need to get a certificate of analysis to determine levels because if you don’t you could be prosecuted.”
      https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/before-you-go-into-the-business-of-cannabis-read-this-24891897

      I would say just be honest with your product. If your oil comes from a so called hemp-based variety, state as such. If it is tested, provide details, if not, state so. Don’t market it with all the buzzwords you see these days (Full Spectrum FECO/RSO/CBD/Oil) when you have some low CBD (2%) hemp variety that you process en-masse to produce your oil. If you have a really good, 6-15% CBD (1-3% THC) cultivar that you know has a strong x/y smell (or know the dominant terps, not that dominant terps determine smell but thats besides the point) that is smokeable (let’s say it looks/smells like white widow to you) and you know its content, then put that on the label please, the world needs to know and you need to give yourself the credit for a good legit input. Just don’t put out dodgy products to make quick money. Honesty and transparency is all we ask on the label.

      I agree fully. We are small. We have no reason to be big. Or even get rich. The producer of the oil did it initially because she had cancer, now in remission, and she asked me to share it with more people to increase her limited income. I am not in need of bags of money and can go without. But love a challenge and sharing a good story but am not interested in stupid risks doing it.

      We only sell low THC high CBD and the process is designed to do that.

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